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Date: Winter Issue 2006
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LOVE HANGOVER
(how Courtney got
clean)
Text Paul
Flynn
Photography Mert Alas and Marcus Piggott
Fashion Editor Katie Grand
In her most revealing interview ever, Courtney
Love - on the wagon and sharper, foxier and more adorable than ever - talks
about tabloid infamy, her fear of Oprah and ecstasy, the lightness of Gwen
Stefani, loving Edward loving Norton, being saved by Mel Gibson and the truth
about her relationship with Russell Brand
I offer Courtney Love a note of
sympathy about her missing luggage. What a disaster, I say. 'You think this is a
fucking disaster?' bellows Courtney, incredulously, while flinging the door open
to her hotel room in the sunny seaside enclave of Santa Eulalia, Ibiza. It is
12.15am. 'Well, hello! Welcome to my life.' Courtney Love has spent the last 48
hours en route to Ibiza from Los Angeles and things have already gone awry. This
comes as little surprise. Drama, after all, is Courtney’s shadow. Where she
goes, theatrical degrees of incident follow. It is part of what makes her the
most noteworthy woman of the modern rock age. It is part of what makes her The
Punk Diana. Drama is her thing, and not always in the way she would like it to
be.
Her baggage – well, her physical baggage – has been impounded at Heathrow
and she has been left with only the clothes on her back (a splendid T-shirt with
the logo of the Palm Springs rehab unit, The Betty Ford Center, tight denims and
a pair of righteous fuck-me heels) and her hand luggage. Somehow, even with such
slight travelling accoutrements she has still managed to semi-trash her hotel
room. This takes a degree of dedication to messiness that a four-year-old child
would clearly wow at. You know how they say ‘clean house, clean mind’?
Courtney is kinda the opposite of that.
She has just been arguing with ‘a boyfriend’ for the past hour on the phone.
She doesn’t get any more specific, but the debris of a stressful conversation
can be seen everywhere. Cigarettes are burning down to their stubs, vertically,
on the counter. BBC World news is blaring from the TV set. The covers are
askance on the bed and the remnants of room service are littered about the
place, bits of cutlery and crockery on the floor, a few more ciggie stubs
decorating the porcelain coffee mugs. Whenever it rings, her cellphone is
chucked around the room. ‘We have a relationship.’
For the proceeding five and a half hours I will sit and listen to the current
high- and lowlights of Courtney Love’s life, with a scattershot debriefing on
her actual lovelife thrown in for good measure. Now, I’m sure there are more
fun and possibly more fascinating ways to be up all night than spending a few
hours with Courtney Love in a hotel room, but right now I can’t think of any.
The woman simply cannot open her mouth without a quote dropping out of it. She
is a cascade of anecdotes – some belly-laugh funny, some nothing short of
heartbreaking. This much I had anticipated. But if somebody had told me that one
day I would be up all night with Courtney Love – in Ibiza! – and nothing
stronger would pass her lips than bottled water and approximately a billion
cigarettes (you give up counting after the first packet has been scrunched into
the garbage; often there are two on the go at once), would I seriously have
believed them?
Suspend disbelief. After trying on every single garment in the rockchick closet
over the last two and a half decades, and a couple more besides, Courtney is
putting on a new frock and checking herself in the mirror to see how it sits.
After four years of being ‘America’s very own Pete Doherty’ (her words),
Courtney Love is doing sobriety. She’s a year in and counting. You can only
pray that she finds the new outfit to her taste. Because she is an absolute
blast on it. Courtney Love is probably the only woman in the world who can make
being straight appear more rock’n’roll than being strung out. It’s
definitely a skill. In the cab on the way back to Ibiza airport an hour after
leaving Courtney, two things stick distinctly in my mind. The first is little
short of astonishing. At one point in the conversation she dropped in the casual
aside that she lives two weeks ahead of the news. As alleged proof of this she
told me that she knew her friend and supporter Mel Gibson would be getting into
trouble with drink a fortnight before his latest scandal hit. ‘He’d already
had a little slip. It was going to happen.’ This, of course, is untestable as
it has already happened. But another nugget hadn’t – not at that point. She
also told me that Whitney Houston would be serving divorce papers on her husband
of 15 years, Bobby Brown, sometime in the following couple of weeks.
On returning to England I scan the newspapers for 14 days to see if there is any
evidence of Courtney’s speculation on the Brown/ Houston separation. Nothing
materialises. Perhaps Courtney is not quite as prophetic as she thinks she is.
Another week passes and – kazzam! – there it is on Reuters. Perhaps she is
even more prophetic than she thinks she is.
The second thing that sticks in my mind is a little more troublesome. After
leaving Ibiza, Courtney will fly to London for a week. She has made a fun little
bet with a friend – she doesn’t specify who with or how much for – that
she can go seven days in the UK without making it into a tabloid newspaper. She
seriously seems to believe that this is a possibility. Yet Courtney is currently
at a British tabloid premium. She is still recovering from the hangover of a
maelstrom of events that would eventually ‘give me a nervous breakdown’ (her
words). Last year, at the zenith and eventual end of her drug madness, an affair
with the Mancunian comedian Steve Coogan dragged her actual sex life, as opposed
to her Love life, for the first time in her career through the red tops. Post-Coogan,
the British press is still gunning for her.
While the Coogan story was breaking to open-mouthed amazement from the British
public, Courtney Love would find her phone at the Sunset Marquis hotel in LA
tapped. Nine LA stringers for British tabloids checked into the hotel. She was
doorstepped at her gynaecologist’s house. Her former female crack dealer, who
Courtney claims to be ‘obsessed’ by Coogan, sold a story to The News Of The
World for £40,000, featuring five minutes of taped conversation with Love
before Courtney’s best friend and former bass player Lisa Leveredge ripped the
phone from the wall.
In Ibiza, Courtney says that keeping out of the tabloids will be a breeze. ‘The
thing is with The Sun and the 3am Girls and The Biz and Rav and… Look! I know
all their fucking names now! But you can keep away from them. So I actually made
a wager with my friend that I could go to London next week and not make the
tabloids. OK, possibly one straight paparazzi picture. But I’m not even going
to go to The Ivy for dinner. They’re like, “You can’t get through a
fucking week without being in the tabloids.” I’m like, “You bet I fucking
can.” So, we’ll see. I think you attract the tabloids when you want to. When
you’re doing things that the tabloids like – like taking drugs, like hanging
out with tabloid-ish people, like going to dinner with Kate Moss – then you’re
gonna put yourself in a position where you might have to start all over the next
day.’
Three days into her stay in London and there she is, making page five of The
Sun, papped on the arm of another British comedy crank, another infamous
lothario and multiple ex-addict, Russell Brand. My heart sinks. It appears that
Courtney Love simply cannot help herself. But, as we will see, there is often
more to a banner headline in a tabloid newspaper than meets the eye.
There are several roles that we are used to watching Courtney Love play out in
public. But sober and tender mother isn’t primarily among them. Yet here she
is at 6am in that hotel room in Ibiza, straight, talking about her daughter,
Frances.
'Carrie Fisher had a party recently and Ruby Wax was there. Ruby was just
screaming at me about certain aspects of my life at the moment. Because I love
Ab Fab and because I'm going through this absurd British comedy thing at the
moment, I listen to Ruby. Frances loves Ab Fab, too.' It doesn't take an
advanced level of psychoanalysis to join the dots here. 'Sometimes she says to
me, "Do you think I’m Saffy?" and I'll say, "Do you think I'm
Eddy? Do you think that Lisa is Patsy? Come on!" Courtney Love is very,
very good at getting her own irony. 'There are bits.'
Then she continues, laughing her big, throaty laugh. 'The fact that Edina
actually does my particular Buddhist chanting is a little too close to home. But
a lot of people assume that Frances parentifies me. No way.' By way of
illustration, Courtney plucks out another recent family vignette. 'I'll tell you
what happened the other day. No one asked my permission, but Frances went to
Disneyland with [the daughter of a famous pop icon]. And she came back and said,
"Momma, I just wanna thank you for sheltering me." I said, "What
do you mean?" and she said, "I was out with [said daughter] today and
she's had, like, 20 boyfriends and she curses."'
Sometimes Courtney draws astute and poignant comparisons between herself and her
daughter. 'When I was 13 I went to Japan to strip. My daughter is 14 now and
she's never kissed a boy. She's never smoked a cigarette. She's never drunk
wine. And she's never cursed. When I was 13 I was naked in what were called
Kinky Shows on the outskirts of Tokyo and I would have to move every four days.
The only way I ended up getting out of the country was to turn myself in to the
authorities. I still have diaries from the Deportation Tank.'
Courtney Love, as it turns out, is great with a family story. She is
blunt-speaking and strikingly caring and doesn’t shy away from the more
painful details. ‘There was a situation recently in this New York stage camp
that Frances was at, where she was threatening suicide – and suicide is not
funny in our family. I had to call her and Michael Stipe had to call her and
Edward [Norton] had to call her and [Drew] Barrymore had to call her after they
gave her a shitty part and they were calling her one particular name that I will
not repeat. I went along and I dressed to the nines and I just went totally Joan
Crawford on it. I figured it was appropriate. And then? They were up her ass
like you would not believe when I got there. Frances wants to get into that
acting world but after that experience she just made up her mind that she wants
to work on her craft and get really good at it and not do anything until she’s
18.’
Frances Bean Cobain is a clever, sensible girl who’s popular at school, gets
good grades and loves her mom. It isn’t the stuff of salacious tabloid gossip,
but her mom loves her right back.
'We're doing this documentary on Kurt right now and Cameron Crowe, in the most
non-exploitative, brilliant way, came up with the idea of Frances narrating it.
And Frances looked me in the eye and said, "If Cameron Crowe wants to cast
me in a movie when I'm 16 like he did with Katie Hudson then fine. But I am not
going to talk about my dad." Of course I told Cameron and he loved her for
it.'
I ask if Frances is starting to process her life so far. 'She is really going
through a thing right now. I asked if she wanted to help out with the artwork on
this Nirvana thing we’re doing and she said, "Why should I?" I'm
like, "Well, what are you going to do when you are 25 and you inherit X
amount of money and X is quite a lot? Don't you think it's only fair that you
help with this?" Her feeling is more... Look, she doesn't blame herself,
thank God. But she does blame him. Her attitude is: he left me, fuck him. So she
said, "No. You do it. I want to be known for my own self."'
I say that that seems like a totally reasonable thing for Frances to be going
through. ‘It absolutely is,’ steps in her mother. ‘And the good news is
that I’ve talked to a lot of people who say that children of suicidal parents
often blame themselves, and Frances doesn’t do that. She understands that in
her family on her father’s side there were three uncles that committed suicide
in the same way. On the mother’s side there’s a grandfather who stabbed
himself with a knife on Christmas Day in front of the family and died a few days
later in the same room that Frances Farmer died in. Suicide is heavy on that
family. It’s in their tree. Frances tells me if she ever even smokes pot then
I gotta send her to rehab for a year. Frances is square.’ Courtney Love does
not deliver the word ‘square’ as an insult. She delivers it as a compliment.
‘We went to Rumour Willis’s birthday party – it was Bruce [Willis] and
Ashton [Kutchner] and Demi [Moore] and Tallulah [Willis, Bruce and Demi’s
daughter] who Frances goes to school with. They’re very European, they have
little sips of wine with their dinner. Nothing major, at all. Frances says, “I
don’t like this.” She’s very square. People can say whatever they want
about me as a mother but I think that the proof’s in the pudding. In how she
does her homework and how she is at school and what good manners she has.
Frances was not raised by nannies. She was raised by me, apart from that six
months when social services got involved that was absolutely evil and
unnecessary. Even at my worst, she has never ever seen me do drugs. When I did
drugs I would do them in New York or in a hotel. She never came in the room and
saw me do drugs. That thing that happened with the [British] tabloids? Thank God
those papers weren’t in America. I mean, she heard about it and went out and
rented Around The World In 80 Days, which is not Coogan’s greatest
recommendation, let’s be honest. And I had to say, “He’s a friend of mine
and he’s really nice.”’
Five random things that you might not know about Courtney Love:
1. It was
Mel Gibson who got Courtney sober
'Mel is the guy - he is the guy who stayed at the Four Seasons when I was high
on crack. He came to my door for two solid days to get me out of there. I had
these two parasite fucking cocksucker drug dealers with me and Mel Gibson kept
coming to my door and I kept saying “fuck off!” because I was high on crack.
He’d say, “It’s Mel”, and I’d say, “I don’t care!” and slam the
door in his face. Eventually the drug dealers wise up to what’s going on and
they’re like, “It’s Mel fucking Gibson!” and they answer the door and go
to have a cheeseburger with Mel just because he’s Mel Gibson. And then [her
drugs counsellor] comes in and gets me and puts me in the car and takes me away.
Mel Gibson was totally instrumental in getting me to rehab in the fi rst place.
I love Mel. He’s a good guy. And the people who are freaking out about him
ranting and raving when he was drunk are being ridiculous and judgemental. And I
say that having gone on Jewhoo – you know, the website? I’m five-eighths
Jewish and the rest Irish, so…'
2. Courtney has never
taken ecstasy and didn’t take cocaine until she was 35 years old
'I don’t mind anyone drinking in front of me now, but they can’t chop lines
in front of me. They just can’t do it. I don’t know. I always used to hate
lines. I remember hanging out with Liam Gallagher years ago and he was doing
blow in front of me and I was like, “Can’t you just stop?” He was like,
“Do it, do it!” and I was hating that shit. Then when I got to be 35 years
old I started doing it and I didn’t stop for, like, four years. Explain that!
Isn’t that weird? Starting at 35? Having never done it before. Because to me
cocaine was always a more bourgeois thing, or it was for dumb metalheads. Then
after I became a film actor I was around fashion a lot. So you’d be sitting
there with, like, [two supermodels] and they’d be naked and there’d be a
Jackson Pollock on the wall and a Picasso on the wall and you’d be in a
$100,000 couture gown, and I remember calling my old bass player Melissa [Auf
Der Mar] and saying, “OK, I’m going to try cocaine. We’re going to be
Scarface. There’s a guy who keeps walking in with a platinum plate and
platinum straws and offering me coke, so let’s just go for it.’ We did it.
We did it for two days non-stop with some of the richest people in the world and
some of the most beautiful people in the world and we ended up at six in the
morning outside a club called Twilo with Dave Navarro in little silver shorts
going, “Let’s go get some smack.” I mean, this is a downward spiral
however you slice it.’
What are you like on coke?
‘Cocaine is a really demonic drug that makes you really demonic and gets you
in a lot of trouble.’
Have all your drug phases been demonic? Did you never have a thing for less
demonic drugs? Ecstasy, maybe?
‘I’ve never even done ecstasy! I’m like the one person in the world
who’s never taken it. In actual fact if I do ever take it I’m not going to
count it as a slip because it’s a hallucinogen and hallucinogens are not slips
in my program. I would take it with somebody I really love, like one time. And I
actually do plan on taking it once before I die.’
3. Courtney is
terrified of Oprah Winfrey
‘There was a poll the other day in a small newspaper of the most insane
celebrities in America. It was Mel [Gibson], Tom [Cruise] and then me. AND THEN
JACKO! I was like, “When I was on crack? Maybe.” But that was a year ago.
People have got the wrong idea about me right now. Jesus, I need to do an Oprah.
But I can’t. Rosie [O’Donnell]’s on The View now so I’ll do The View.
And I’ll do Diane Sawyer. But I’m terrified of Oprah. I’ve done Rosie
lots, five times, done Diane Sawyer three times. But I can’t do Oprah.’
What is it about Oprah that terrifies you?
‘She doesn’t have a sense of irony. Rosie and Diane do. Oprah’s very
mainstream. I’m not good at that. I need a little edge.’
4. Courtney does not
consider Kurt Cobain to be the true love of her life
‘I don’t want to speak ill of the best friend that I ever had, but he was a
big twat if he didn’t trust you. Nobody remembers that about Kurt. He was a
hostile motherfucker sometimes.’
But nobody ever remembers anything bad about anyone who died young. An early
death will pretty much forgive you anything.
‘People don’t remember how hostile and untrusting he was. It took me two
years of tenacity and constancy and letting him ignore me and just being there
when he fell and being a very bad boy before I even began going out with him. I
may only have been married to him for three years but there was two years of
courtship before that which was almost all one-sided. I think he did love me.
But I think, in the end, when you’re dealing with someone who is that
brilliant and that tortured, you just have to put up with a lot of misanthropic
shit. A friend once said to me, “Talent does not help you change the
diapers.” You can’t love someone for the talent, you know? And that’s not
just what that was about. I loved him because I really loved him. He was funny
and sweet, too. I was going through some home-video footage for this Channel 4
documentary that I just did and there’s one scene where he’s swinging
Frances round the bathroom and you can tell just what a good daddy he was. But
when the camera moves up to the toothpaste holder you see the syringes. She was
too small to get to them, but…’
It’s dark, nonetheless.
‘It’s fucking dark. But at the same time you can see what a great daddy he
was. So I didn’t let them show that footage. There’s some really beautiful
footage that no one’s ever seen but that was too much. There’s a scene where
I’m talking to Frances and I say, “We’re gonna go make daddy lunch” and
he’s like, “I love you!” and it’s really sweet. There are creases on my
face. It’s poignant. But I like big game. I know that I tend to find certain
men… You know, Edward [Norton] was a tough one, too. It was about eight months
of me pretty much grocery shopping for him every day before we dated. Nobody
knows, this but I dated Gavin Rossdale for eight months and on Valentine’s Day
1996 or ’7 I did not go and see Bush play in Little Rock, Arkansas. Me and
Edward were in Memphis and I got sent a pretty diamond ring from Gavin. Not an
engagement ring but it was… something. I said to Edward, “If I throw this
ring that Gavin gave me into the Mississippi river, do you think that we’ll go
out?” He turned to me and said, “There’s a slim chance… But if you do
not throw it in the river there is no chance.”’ So you did it? ‘Of course
I did it. Gavin is such a gentleman. Nobody gives him credit, but he didn’t
kiss Gwen Stefani until the next day that I didn’t show up in Little Rock.
Isn’t that a sweet story? I adore Gavin. I miss him, actually. That’s one
person who’s not in my life now because he’s married to Gwen and whatever. I
don’t consider Gwen an enemy or a problem, she’s just… It is what it
is.’
She seems to be the opposite of you, Gwen.
‘She is really light. But you know, we were once at SIR studios, and I was
with Melissa and I was nude and Melissa was in her panties. And then Gwen walked
in with a poodle and she said, “You know, I’ve got this huge platform and I
don’t know what to say.” I said, “I’ll write your lyrics,” and she
goes, “What are you guys talking about?” And at that time Melissa was
sleeping with a married man and I was sleeping with a married man, and she
looked at us and said, “You guys think I’m dumb, don’t you?’ And we were
like “No! No!” That was my one funny interaction with her. After she left, I
said to Melissa, “If we were in high school right now, you’d be in the art
class, Gwen would be in the cheerleading squad and I’d be in detention.”’
Has there been true love since Kurt?
‘Oh yeah. Ed, certainly. He’s been more of a daddy to Frances than Kurt ever
was.’
Just before I came into the room you were arguing with your boyfriend.
‘He’s just an arrogant fucking prick. I know how to pick ’em, that’s for
sure!’
How does someone turn from being the guy that you fuck into your boyfriend?
‘’Cause I’m fucking delusional, that’s how! He’s notorious.’
Can I ask who he is?
‘No you cannot. That would be, like, the biggest disaster. He’s notorious. I
would never say who he is. We were made in tabloid hell.’
Are you in love right now?
‘I think I was… you know, I don’t really want to tell you if I am in love
right now… (Thinking about this for a moment) No, I don’t want to say that.
It’s hard to do with me, to keep silent, but I do want to. The name of the
record right now is ‘How Dirty Girls Get Clean’ and I think I’m going to
keep that. It’s a riddle. And the riddle is answered by lots of really good
sex and… you know, love. I think that love, however it comes to you, can
absolutely change you and make you become a better person. I have a great and
deep love for my child. Love changes you. It does.’
5. There is currently a
bidding war going on for Courtney’s new record, ‘How Dirty Girls Get
Clean’
‘I got a text as I was leaving from Stipe, who was with Bono and Edge and
Larry, and I don’t know whether they were in Ireland together or what ’cause
I kept saying, “Where are you, where are you?” Here, let me show you it…
(rummages through her BlackBerry but fails to find it) Shit, anyway, they were
comparing it to… I hate being compared to Marianne Faithfull – I love her as
a person but I hate being compared to her. My range is better. Yes I fucked up
my fucking vocal chords, but not to that degree. And I can still hit quite a few
notes. But people still tend to do it. So they said it’s like Marianne, The
Eagles, Fleetwood, Zeppelin. It’s quite original. There’s such a shark fight
going on in LA right now for this record. I’m getting texts from label heads,
people who would not touch me a year ago, saying, “You know we’ve always had
a connection” and, “I’m gonna kill for you” and, “This is the best
record I’ve heard in 20 years.” I mean, you know, I cannot decide.
What a fantastic predicament to be in.
‘It’s a quality problem, I’ll give you that. So like I did this record
with Linda Perry and my plan is to stay with Linda. Linda isn’t affiliated
with any of these majors. She’s got her favourite person at a label, who
she’s fond of. And I trust Linda’s intuition. And I can’t find anyone to
say anything nice about this executive that Linda likes but… you know? Linda
has just spent the last five months with me and she’s had bricks through her
window and people going, “Why aren’t you doing Joss Stone? Why aren’t you
doing Gwen’s next record?” And Linda is like, “Fuck you. I’m doing what
I want to do.” So I’m following Linda’s lead here. She is the hottest
songwriter in the world right now and she gave up her work to make a proper,
old-school rock record with me. This is my favourite thing I’ve ever done and
it’s Linda’s favourite thing that she’s ever done. But these guys are
getting my phone number and I got another phone today and this phone is a
fucking disaster and I’m trying to deal with this fucking boyfriend guy at the
same time. And a lot of the songs on the record are about him. You’ll see.’
‘The problem with some British people is they come to Hollywood thinking
it’s one giant vagina with an eight-ball in the middle of it,’ says Courtney
Love in Ibiza.
Once I’m back in
London, it soon becomes transparent that the mystery boyfriend she was making
reference to in Ibiza was indeed Steve Coogan. She calls a couple of times and
asks me, patiently, not to foreground the comedian in the piece. I don’t want
to. The piece is about her, not him. But I am curious to know why she doesn’t
want me to. ‘It’ll only give him a boner,’ she says. She can be very funny
when she wants to be, Courtney. The most elucidating thing Courtney says about
Coogan the entire time I’m with her is: ‘He needs to lose the fucking
naughty altar boy routine.’ She can also be spot on when she wants to be.
In the year that this dirty girl got clean, she has connected once again with
her spiritual side. She has turned to the sect of Buddhism that has acted as a
conduit to her many past purple patches. She says she chants every single day
for self-improvement. When she checks her watch and it is five in the morning in
Ibiza, she suddenly panics. ‘Where the fuck am I going to chant today? I guess
I’ll have to wait until you’ve gone.’
She can trace her adult life through Buddhism. ‘I started chanting when I was
23 and I was literally living on Hollywood Boulevard, panhandling. Within six
months of chanting I’d made a million dollars and had two NME covers and a
Melody Maker cover. Then I chanted for a Nirvana tour. And I ended up with a
Nirvana husband. Then I stopped. Then all that other stuff [Cobain’s suicide]
happened that’s in the past now. Then I started chanting again after that. And
I got [a role in The People Vs] Larry Flynt and started going out with Edward. I
increased my money 10, 20 times. And I started getting every single thing I
wanted and then I stopped again. Then slowly and incrementally I began going
down, down, down, down, down and then I get to 35 and I start doing coke.’
The flashbulb went on again after Mel and her drugs counsellor saved her. ‘When
I was in rehab I was like, “OK, this obviously works for me.” So I started
chanting again. I’ve been a Buddhist three times and the great thing about the
practice I follow is that you chant for what you want and you start to develop a
sort of a Buddha nature where you chant for other people’s happiness. You
start to develop a lot more compassion. And then you act upon it. You actively
help people. When I started chanting I didn’t think I’d ever work again. I
have spent the years since Larry Flynt in Actor Jail, which is not a nice place
to be in. You would not believe the shit I have turned down. And now one of the
biggest directors in the world has just asked me to do a really cool, big movie
which will get me right out of Actor Jail. I didn’t think I’d ever be able
to write songs again and now I’ve just made the best record of my life. I
ended up making a vast amount of money from having less than $3,000 in my bank
account and living in a condo that was uglier and smaller than this shithole
hotel – with my daughter and a nanny. So I started chanting and I’ve now
been chanting for over a year and I’ve skipped one day. I had one day where I
just watched TV and ate Kentucky Fried Chicken. People think you can get by on
willpower alone and they don’t understand… If you’re just an atheist who
doesn’t go practice science, then you are a nihilist.You are a lazy fucking
nihilist. How can you expect to a) get anywhere in this life and b) even be able
to comprehend the idea of giving up an addiction? If an addiction’s gotten
hold of you it’s over. It’s done. You’ve got to give it up and figure out
a spiritual path. I’ve noticed something: that, from Drew Barrymore to Jim
Carrey to Cameron Diaz to Paltrow, every person I know at the top of their game
does something spiritual. I don’t know anybody at the top of their game who
doesn’t. It’s no accident.’
Is that because being creative at that level you feel you are actually touching
God somehow? ‘Maybe? Maybe!’
I ask Courtney Love if she likes being sober. She looks me straight in the eye
and says, ‘Yes. Yes! When things go wrong like the luggage not being here,
there’s a reason for it. I don’t know what the hell it is. But there’s a
reason that happened. Because the thing is that in my life presently, things don’t
go wrong. You know? In my personal life I have a little… theatrics. But other
than that everything – career, financial, spiritual, parental, friendships…’
It’s good? ‘It’s more than good. It’s like Christmas every fucking day
of the year.’
Footnote
Four weeks after meeting her in Ibiza, I get a phone call out of the blue from
Courtney Love. I remind her of the thing she said about not getting in the
tabloids while she was in London. She laughs a little about it. So I ask what
exactly happened on that ‘hot night of passion’ she was alleged to have
spent with Russell Brand.
‘You wanna know what happened? Nothing. We made friends and I gave him a Hedi
Slimane cravat, which apparently he has been wearing day and night since. He’s
a special person, he’s a nice person and he is not a cruel person. I think
he’s absolutely lovely and I think he’d say the same thing about me. The
tabloids said something happened because that is what the tabloids say. But
nothing happened. I made a new friend. That’s what happened.
‘You know, when I spoke to you last, I was in a bad place. It wasn’t just
the jet lag or the luggage.’ It was the boyfriend. ‘It was about thinking I
could save this person that was in my life, which was just ridiculous. I can’t
have people who take drugs in my life. I have a heavy probation order here. If I
am around people who take drugs I will end up in jail. I think I needed to be
with this person to get a record out of it. I remember the last question you
asked me that night. You said, “Are you in love, Courtney?” And I think I
said, “Yes.” I am categorically not in love and I don’t think I ever was.
What I meant then was that I wanted to be in love and now I’m in some
completely new emotional landscape. I was never in love with him. But I got a
record out of it. The record isn’t about him. I don’t want to make it that
small. It is a universal record, but it came to me through that. I care for him
deeply and I want more than anything for him to get well; he could make it if he
only got in there and tried hard, but not everyone was born to succeed at this
sobriety thing. I spent five hours with Edward the other day and on the way home
I saw him [Coogan] shuffling down Sunset into my old strip joint, The Body Shop.
Alone. I was so, so sad for him. But I saved myself. I’ll always love him
dearly and be his friend and be here for him but I wish I hadn’t seen that. It
was a true ‘Boulevard Of Broken Dreams’ moment.’